A Saturday MSNBC segment focused on police reform quickly turned into a smear of police and capitalism, with guests apparently calling for the abolition of both to fight what has been described as a system. “untenable”.

Leftist host Tiffany Cross allowed guests to go unchecked as they claimed police reform was not possible, leaving abolition the only option, and “oppression” by law enforcement was linked to capitalism, which one guest claimed encouraged the deaths of blacks.

The segment began with Cross detailing the January death of Jamal Sutherland, a black man from South Carolina who died in custody. After reading a video clip of the altercation that led to Sutherland’s death, Cross asked MSNBC contributor Brittany Packnett Cunningham if the police could be reformed.

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“In short, Tiffany, no. You cannot reform a system that was created to protect certain people, and to protect these people, supposedly, from the rest of us. A system that was created to control cannot cannot really be changed. It can only be replaced by a true vision of public safety, “Cunningham said.

Cunningham then said Sutherland was mentally disabled and that “nearly half of those killed by police each year have a disability”. She added her amazement that people still justify police shooting black teenager Ma’Khia Bryant, who was seen on police body cam stabbing a woman.

“At some point we have to remove the veneer and recognize that it was never about serving and protecting us. It was about serving and protecting certain people and certain groups and classes from the rest of us, ”she continued, before asserting that people who see the police and prisons as the dividing line between their neighborhood and the black and brown neighborhoods, find events such as the deaths of blacks by the police and the storming of the US Capitol on January 6 as “acceptable” things.

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“None of these things should be acceptable in a democracy and yet we are there. If the state can choose who lives and dies, it is not a system that can be reformed,” she said.

Cross did not take issue with Cunningham on any of his points and instead expressed his agreement before turning to guest Gyasi Ross, a Native American lawyer and writer who laughs and critical Whites in his writing and on social media, and asked him about the idea that a police reform bill might not include changes to qualified immunity for police officers.

“I think unfortunately Brittany has kind of painted the overall picture very, very eloquently, and it’s absolutely true. This system is untenable and we’re going to continue to see these victims happen in a very, very very systematic, very, very consistent, and predictable, and unfortunately in this country things work in a really incremental fashion, especially in legislative terms, “said Ross.

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He went on to say that the country would continue to see videos of black and brown people “executed by law enforcement.” He added that the country could also expect to see an “appropriate and reasonable” response from ordinary people who are threatened by oppression from law enforcement until there is more. gradual change.

“But unfortunately the way … capitalism, the way our system is set up, is what we’re going to continue to get, it’s these little crumbs on the table that will encourage and indeed demand these brown losses. and black, “Ross said.

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Cross again failed to follow up on Ross’s claims and instead moved on to the next topic in the segment.